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man i really missed a good discusion here , how did i miss this one ...., btw just to spite some of the unflexible thinking guys , u want something faster than light , indirectly suspect the existence of more than 3 Ds in our own known universe ? sure i can point you in the right direction-> information can break the speed of light , cuz however small it may be its still falls under directional wave / matter , but whats this isnt light just a more dense clump of information , written of energy ? like the rest of creation .....should it not be immpossible for any informations propagation speed to be limited at speed of light only ? well here i will give you some alternatives , who said u need to plow through space like an idiot ? we arent in classical physics era anymore ! there are tons of ways to achive similar results and common people will look at them and just call them faster than light , though wrong , but still its right too after all something got displaced from point a to b faster than normal , alright examples of faster tranfer of info -> quantam tunneling , entanglemant , speed of sub particle in a closed system such as atoms , to name a few common ones , in essence its purely refrential constriction , even if light were to go faster how will u know that its not your misconseption that its maintaining constant speed? u do realise that universes fabric of space time is itself expanding even to this day right ? can you say for sure that we are sufficiently advanced enough species to dabble in tachyonics at this point in time ?we barely recorded gravitational waves ....there are tons tons that we dont even dare say we know , then i ask you why this fixation of light speed being a constant seem to be the only single truth that cant even be dbouted , after all in science we dbout and dbout and still keeep on dbouting after its verification just to be sure that our previous understandings werent playing tricks with us .(edited)
You said a lot of things in there that are baseless.
For a start, look into quantum physics and you will see that communication with quantum entanglement is physically impossible. Any attempt at forcing an entangled particle into a particular state breaks the entanglement with its partner. Quantum tunnelling refers to things moving through barriers, and doesn't apply to communication at FTL speed. Electrons, or even anti-matter Positrons do not move faster than light - They have the same limits as electricity.
You mention tachyons. A hypothetical particle with ultimately no more bearing on reality than gravitons or any other exotic not as far as we know extant particle I could conjure up until such a time as their existence is proven. Not only that but tachyons are actually based on a model that was specifically debunked. Only the idea of the particle survived, but it's based on bad science.
2:32 PM
Also information has no bearing on reality, it's an abstraction. Literally all things are better described in terms of energy or mass.
2:33 PM
Saying random bursts of light are clumps of information is extremely... human centric.
2:33 PM
And nonsense, given that nature produces light extremely chaotically.
Zen , this is the first time i am thinking that you read the correct thing and reached a completly opposite conclusion to what was even written there !?? u might as well read it again and ....as for the information theory for looking at universe well its a growing field and many atleast partially think it has more potential at explaining stuff, alright as for entanglement issue , its not necessary for us hummans to transmit info to get to acknowledge that , if it happens in nature that should be enough to get the point accross ,and btw we did kinda harness it in electron telportation exp so ..... and ah yes ofc sub atomic particle actually moves within realtivistic speeds in free space , but i specifically mentioned closed systems ie a circular route thats extremely small , ie happens due to probability cloud distribution and uncertainity principle , and again only in very very small region of space where overlap and superpositioning can take place and again only " Information " not its carrier particles speed !what i mean is when fields are already in contact with each other information transfer can exceed lights speed , as for the material world any and all speed above c gets transformed into relatavistic mass such that gravitational field starts to come into play ......and that alright its too much pain in the ass to type this much , as for tachyon stuff i just said we humans havent reached the stage to dabble in this field yet , why did u explain to me how its a concept idea ?
Again, I'm not saying quantum entanglement and teleportation don't exist; I'm saying they are nearly valueless for communication with our current technological understanding of them. What you are talking about is theoretical technology we don't possess. Speculation is fine, but it sounds like you are saying these technologies are fact.
3:27 PM
They are not. Perhaps "Yet" is a good descriptor, or perhaps it will remain functionally impossible. But it would unscientific to presume that it is possible before testing.(edited)
3:27 PM
But as for this:
but i specifically mentioned closed systems ie a circular route thats extremely small , ie happens due to probability cloud distribution and uncertainity principle
I cannot see anything at a glance about this with a quick search, do you have a sauce on this?
meh too much stufff needs to be explained ....in short has to do with observation and collapsing of probility wave function , so when its not being observed its position in space is present at all possible points .....bla bla blah ....and no i am not talking tech i am talking about how it already happens in nature , for example before man created boats does it mean that the concept of lighter density solids floating on liquids does not exist ? ofc the tech advancement only represent our mastery on the subject to the level that we could harness it in benificial ways(edited)
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man i really missed a good discusion here , how did i miss this one ...., btw just to spite some of the unflexible thinking guys , u want something faster than light , indirectly suspect the existence of more than 3 Ds in our own known universe ? sure i can point you in the right direction-> information can break the speed of light , cuz however small it may be its still falls under directional wave / matter , but whats this isnt light just a more dense clump of information , written of energy ? like the rest of creation .....should it not be immpossible for any informations propagation speed to be limited at speed of light only ? well here i will give you some alternatives , who said u need to plow through space like an idiot ? we arent in classical physics era anymore ! there are tons of ways to achive similar results and common people will look at them and just call them faster than light , though wrong , but still its right too after all something got displaced from point a to b faster than normal , alright examples of faster tranfer of info -> quantam tunneling , entanglemant , speed of sub particle in a closed system such as atoms , to name a few common ones , in essence its purely refrential constriction , even if light were to go faster how will u know that its not your misconseption that its maintaining constant speed? u do realise that universes fabric of space time is itself expanding even to this day right ? can you say for sure that we are sufficiently advanced enough species to dabble in tachyonics at this point in time ?we barely recorded gravitational waves ....there are tons tons that we dont even dare say we know , then i ask you why this fixation of light speed being a constant seem to be the only single truth that cant even be dbouted , after all in science we dbout and dbout and still keeep on dbouting after its verification just to be sure that our previous understandings werent playing tricks with us . (edited)
" information can break the speed of light"
again, it's not about the speed of light in general, the constant describes the speed of causality (which is as fast as speed of light in the vacuum). no information can travel faster than light(edited)
4:00 PM
"btw just to spite some of the unflexible thinking guys"
the problem with flexibility of mind is that a mind too flexible can be stretched too much and will not be able to tell what's correct and what's not anymore
popato....I want some metaphysics supporter in here....I was interested in knowing how they think...instead I ended up in a physics club....but I like it...
As mentioned, quantum entanglement and teleportation via entangled states has been measured and does appear to be faster than light. Quantum teleportation has been performed up to apparently a distance of 150 kilometers so far to transmit qubits. The usefulness of the data remains an issue.(edited)
Imagine: you have two entangled particles that you can fix into a +1 or -1 state. When you do this, it breaks the connection and the other particle ceases to be entangled.
This means you cannot take a particle to another star system for example and then set it to "We found life"
4:11 PM
Because the other one will actually just be a toss up at that point.
? I mean to say, since there's no way to reset the state, only measure, the entangled particle would leave in the only state it would ever be entangled.
I mean it's effectively only information then in the sense of you and a friend set perfectly timed watches to the same time and then traveled to opposite ends of the globe, you would instantly know exactly what time it said on your friends watch...
wasnt making antimatter out of light a common knowledge even before ? i mean pass a photon near a nucleus of a atom and it would split to elctron and positron , colecting and sepration of them is easy too since they have charge
The way we recall being taught in high school chemistry was that there were different energy states for the 'shells' or orbits of electrons to "be" in, depending on their configuration. So UV light might hit a material and elevate that state, which then falls, emitting some visible-spectrum light?
School really was weird, they told us about Dalton and Bohr models and then after that was embeded in our minds, two years later they tell us that what we read was all wrong.
4:43 PM
UV light hitting...I think you are talking about Black Body radiation, but that happens with any light wave given a particular threshold
4:48 PM
But a black body does not really emit visible light rather electrons
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UV light hitting...I think you are talking about Black Body radiation, but that happens with any light wave given a particular threshold
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If you want a genuine response. Only two of those things are mutually exclusive. Unitarianism is a form of christianity and is exclusive with atheism, which simply means they you believe in no deity. Agnosticism is the claim of no knowledge of gods, but not a lack of belief in one. One can be a gnostic or agnostic atheist, or a gnostic or agnostic christian.
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